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	<title>Comments on: Suvudu Gateway Series: Jump Into The EU With Allegiance</title>
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		<title>By: Random Comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian Miller- Also, and maybe this is just a difference of opinion, I think that it is better to have the story continue in direct sequels (as long as you&#039;re not starting with Vector Prime or something). That&#039;s why I kept reading... 
In addition, Wraith Squadron not only has important direct sequels, but is in the middle of the X-wing series. (Fine, you don&#039;t HAVE to read the first four to read it, but its better to.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian Miller- Also, and maybe this is just a difference of opinion, I think that it is better to have the story continue in direct sequels (as long as you&#8217;re not starting with Vector Prime or something). That&#8217;s why I kept reading&#8230;<br />
In addition, Wraith Squadron not only has important direct sequels, but is in the middle of the X-wing series. (Fine, you don&#8217;t HAVE to read the first four to read it, but its better to.)</p>
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		<title>By: Random Comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 21:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Space Girl- Choices of One is a sequel to it. 

Ian Miller-  I&#039;m sorry if it came across as &quot;Grammar Nitpicking.&quot; My point was that, contrary to what the article states, if accidentally, Heir to the Empire, my ideal gateway book, actually introduced that plotpoint, which was later used in Truce at Bakura.

I also feel that since Heir is the first of Zahn&#039;s books, which later expanded back to the past and forward to the future to show other events in the lives of his characters, it is the best to begin with. There are references to his other books in the more recent ones that readers beginning with Allegiance would miss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Space Girl- Choices of One is a sequel to it. </p>
<p>Ian Miller-  I&#8217;m sorry if it came across as &#8220;Grammar Nitpicking.&#8221; My point was that, contrary to what the article states, if accidentally, Heir to the Empire, my ideal gateway book, actually introduced that plotpoint, which was later used in Truce at Bakura.</p>
<p>I also feel that since Heir is the first of Zahn&#8217;s books, which later expanded back to the past and forward to the future to show other events in the lives of his characters, it is the best to begin with. There are references to his other books in the more recent ones that readers beginning with Allegiance would miss.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Random Comments hit the nail on the head with this one.  Heir to the Empire is *the* gateway novel to the EU.

It feels like these articles are written solely from the perspective of advertising upcoming releases, rather than actually helping new readers into the Star Wars Universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Random Comments hit the nail on the head with this one.  Heir to the Empire is *the* gateway novel to the EU.</p>
<p>It feels like these articles are written solely from the perspective of advertising upcoming releases, rather than actually helping new readers into the Star Wars Universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Space Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Space Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I can see how this could be a logical starting point to the EU. Known characters, easy to follow plotline, and it&#039;s a one-off book. But, as much as I like Zahn, I don&#039;t think this novel would really make the reader want to explore further into the EU. Dont&#039; get me wrong, this is a good book, but I think if you really want to start someone reading in the EU, begin with Heir to the Empire. My younger brother just asked me 2 months ago what book to start with as he was interested in reading SW novels. I think if I would have started him with reading Allegiance, he wouldn&#039;t be as interested as he is now that he&#039;s read the HTTE series. 

I also feel that the age of the reader should be a factor, to a degree. For example, a teen may be more into Allegiance, but an adult reader would enjoy HTTE more. Perhaps this angle should be considered in future articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I can see how this could be a logical starting point to the EU. Known characters, easy to follow plotline, and it&#8217;s a one-off book. But, as much as I like Zahn, I don&#8217;t think this novel would really make the reader want to explore further into the EU. Dont&#8217; get me wrong, this is a good book, but I think if you really want to start someone reading in the EU, begin with Heir to the Empire. My younger brother just asked me 2 months ago what book to start with as he was interested in reading SW novels. I think if I would have started him with reading Allegiance, he wouldn&#8217;t be as interested as he is now that he&#8217;s read the HTTE series. </p>
<p>I also feel that the age of the reader should be a factor, to a degree. For example, a teen may be more into Allegiance, but an adult reader would enjoy HTTE more. Perhaps this angle should be considered in future articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Tom. Allegiance is simply a poor book, with characterizations of Luke and Han that feel completely off (Han is cocksure and curmudgeonly, not a jerk; Luke is idealistic and reckless, not an emasculated wimp). 

I&#039;d say it&#039;s first up to the reader as to which era he prefers, and start with that. Since the majority want to know more about the characters they&#039;ve come to love in the films (or, perhaps, in the Old Republic or KOTOR games), it makes sense to recommend great books/comics from that era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Tom. Allegiance is simply a poor book, with characterizations of Luke and Han that feel completely off (Han is cocksure and curmudgeonly, not a jerk; Luke is idealistic and reckless, not an emasculated wimp). </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s first up to the reader as to which era he prefers, and start with that. Since the majority want to know more about the characters they&#8217;ve come to love in the films (or, perhaps, in the Old Republic or KOTOR games), it makes sense to recommend great books/comics from that era.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve thought a lot about how the EU&#039;s chronology, how all of the different story arcs fit together, and how one could go about reading every novel in the EU (and to an extent where to start new readers for reading Star Wars).  I keep coming to 3 main ways of how to start reading them:

1. Chronologically
2. Following certain story arc&#039;s 
3. Start with the &quot;classics&quot;

While I think it&#039;s a great idea to come up with books that can help new readers get into such a large series such as Star Wars, picking books as start off points that match up with an upcoming release that ties in with the series, or a book&#039;s sequel&#039;s paperback release doesn&#039;t cut it for me.  If you&#039;re thinking Zahn, then you have 2 logical starting spots - Outbound Flight or Heir to the Empire.  Heir would be my choice as it is the one that leaves the reader wanting to read more.  Allegiance fits in with the bigger Zahn picture, and to me isn&#039;t a strong starting point to get someone into the EU.

I hope the rest of the series isn&#039;t about taking books like Allegiance and Wraith and trying to argue that they&#039;re good gateway books.  There are some obvious choices that are obvious for reasons.  It feels like these two so far have been forced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought a lot about how the EU&#8217;s chronology, how all of the different story arcs fit together, and how one could go about reading every novel in the EU (and to an extent where to start new readers for reading Star Wars).  I keep coming to 3 main ways of how to start reading them:</p>
<p>1. Chronologically<br />
2. Following certain story arc&#8217;s<br />
3. Start with the &#8220;classics&#8221;</p>
<p>While I think it&#8217;s a great idea to come up with books that can help new readers get into such a large series such as Star Wars, picking books as start off points that match up with an upcoming release that ties in with the series, or a book&#8217;s sequel&#8217;s paperback release doesn&#8217;t cut it for me.  If you&#8217;re thinking Zahn, then you have 2 logical starting spots &#8211; Outbound Flight or Heir to the Empire.  Heir would be my choice as it is the one that leaves the reader wanting to read more.  Allegiance fits in with the bigger Zahn picture, and to me isn&#8217;t a strong starting point to get someone into the EU.</p>
<p>I hope the rest of the series isn&#8217;t about taking books like Allegiance and Wraith and trying to argue that they&#8217;re good gateway books.  There are some obvious choices that are obvious for reasons.  It feels like these two so far have been forced.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 05:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gateway things tend to be better if they don&#039;t include &quot;And to get a happy ending, you have to read the next two books!&quot;

While you raise some good points, it mostly seems like grammar nitpicking and harshness for the sake of harshness.  It&#039;s logical for Del Ray to promote their recent catalogue as well as their older stuff, and they also are wise to try to cross-market their two upcoming releases.  Wraith Squadron&#039;s highlight a few months back helped with Mercy Kill&#039;s release, while Allegiance seems like a more logical lead-in (time period, focus, scope) to Scoundrels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gateway things tend to be better if they don&#8217;t include &#8220;And to get a happy ending, you have to read the next two books!&#8221;</p>
<p>While you raise some good points, it mostly seems like grammar nitpicking and harshness for the sake of harshness.  It&#8217;s logical for Del Ray to promote their recent catalogue as well as their older stuff, and they also are wise to try to cross-market their two upcoming releases.  Wraith Squadron&#8217;s highlight a few months back helped with Mercy Kill&#8217;s release, while Allegiance seems like a more logical lead-in (time period, focus, scope) to Scoundrels.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;imothy Zahn’s 1991 novel Heir to the Empire essentially gave birth to the Expanded Universe, so he knows a thing or two about characterization that expands our horizons while reflecting the cinematic texture of the source material.&quot;

So why isn&#039;t THAT your gateway recommendation?

&quot;Truce At Bakura, the first novel to be set after Return of the Jedi, established that Old Ben’s connection to Luke was fading and about to disappear. &quot;

Actually Heir to the Empire was set after ROTJ and it was published three years earlier and Ben fading was clearly established in that book, which includes his final message to Luke. Truce at Bakura is the next story CHRONOLOGICALLY, and took the fading from Zahn&#039;s work. 

&quot;Part of the fun of the novel is that while Mr. Zahn wrote it many years after Heir to the Empire, Allegiance takes place before Heir, so characters such as Luke and Mara, who will meet in Heir, cannot encounter each other in Allegiance. It’s a complicated, but fun, dance that Zahn conducts by weaving some of these characters in and out of events that shadow each other.&quot;

And readers will not understand this unless they read Heir first and will be left wondering why the author didn&#039;t let them meet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;imothy Zahn’s 1991 novel Heir to the Empire essentially gave birth to the Expanded Universe, so he knows a thing or two about characterization that expands our horizons while reflecting the cinematic texture of the source material.&#8221;</p>
<p>So why isn&#8217;t THAT your gateway recommendation?</p>
<p>&#8220;Truce At Bakura, the first novel to be set after Return of the Jedi, established that Old Ben’s connection to Luke was fading and about to disappear. &#8221;</p>
<p>Actually Heir to the Empire was set after ROTJ and it was published three years earlier and Ben fading was clearly established in that book, which includes his final message to Luke. Truce at Bakura is the next story CHRONOLOGICALLY, and took the fading from Zahn&#8217;s work. </p>
<p>&#8220;Part of the fun of the novel is that while Mr. Zahn wrote it many years after Heir to the Empire, Allegiance takes place before Heir, so characters such as Luke and Mara, who will meet in Heir, cannot encounter each other in Allegiance. It’s a complicated, but fun, dance that Zahn conducts by weaving some of these characters in and out of events that shadow each other.&#8221;</p>
<p>And readers will not understand this unless they read Heir first and will be left wondering why the author didn&#8217;t let them meet.</p>
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